There is a connection to how we see and value ourselves with our financial status.”
– Asha Wilkerson, Esq.
It is time to be more thoughtful and stop glorifying the hustle. This episode features the series Money and Healing.
Josie Santiago, Founder of Aliki Well, and Alexis Henry, Founder of We Are Talking, are two Black women entrepreneurs here to talk about all things money and healing.
Josie and Alexis discuss removing the stigma and taboo about finance and wellness and how their passions align with changing preconceived narratives. You will hear why you need to keep a money diary, how to use RAIN as an emotional tool, when your attachment style impacts your financial situation, and what it means to break away from the tools of oppression and find freedom and liberation when handling money.
There has never been a better time to start understanding your money story and investigating your truth. Tune in to hear about the vital connection between money and your overall well-being!
What You’ll Learn On This Episode:
- [01:36] A little bit about Josie and Alexis’s professional background
- [04:15] Asha’s past relationship and somatic responses to money
- [05:53] How Josie and Alexis came together to do the Money and Healing series
- [07:53] The connection between money and wellness
- [09:22] The impact of money on a person’s wellness
- [11:08] Advice from Alexis about how to get your finances in order
- [12:26] RAIN: a helpful tool to manage your emotions
- [14:20] Why Alexis is an advocate for coaching (group and individual)
- [15:10] The relationship between attachment, attachment styles, and money
- [20:30] What it means to be securely attached
- [21:15] Alexis explains what it means to be a neuro coach and how she uses those skills in financial coaching
- [23:00] Understanding the connection between love languages and your relationship with money
- [24:54] A look at the Money and Healing series
- [30:34] Where to find Josie and Alexis
- Learn more about the TRANSCEND Community
- Get the New Business Checklist for free
- Need help forming your LLC in California? Check out From Me to LLC
- Download your Wealth Building Roadmap
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- Connect with Asha on LinkedIn!
- Subscribe to our YouTube channel!
[0:00:19.7] AW: Hi everyone, welcome back to another episode of Transcend The Podcast. I am excited, super excited for this week’s episode, not just because we are in Black History Month but because this week, we’re going to be talking about money and healing and you all know that the focus of this podcast is to help black and brown folks, BIPOC folks to create some money, to build generational wealth.
So this week as my guest, I have Josie Santiago and Alexis Henry who are running a series called Money and Healing. So without further ado, let’s get right on into it.
[0:00:56.8] AW: Welcome Josie and Alexis, how are you?
[0:00:59.7] JS: Hi, great.
[0:01:00.4] AH: Thanks for having us.
[0:01:01.3] AW: Definitely, definitely. So full disclosure you all, Josie and I know each other form hanging out around Oakland, Salsa dancing and just being in these Oakland streets, right? In the best way possible, I mean, not like misbehaving in the street but having fun in the streets, celebrating black people, black culture, all of that.
So I am super thrilled to have her on the podcast today. Josie, why don’t you give us a little bit of an introduction?
[0:01:27.3] JS: Yeah, thank you, yeah, it’s so fun, it’s always great to see you out and dancing and my name is Josie Santiago. I’m the owner and founder of Akili Well, a wellness service for individuals, companies, and groups. I am a leadership and wellness coach, a facilitator, and a somatic practitioner and I am passionate about increasing well-being in people’s lives and so that’s what I do. I spend a lot of time supporting individuals and increasing their well-being and then I have also been supporting organizations and developing cultures of well-being.
And I’m on a mission to really support the, like, I want us to be able to have wellbeing as a normal part of our US culture, our global culture, I want us to see it in our lives more. So I’m on a mission to really give access and create access for folks, especially in black and brown communities.
[0:02:28.0] AW: I love that, that wellbeing is not an extracurricular but it is the thing, right? The main thing.
[0:02:33.9] JS: Yeah, exactly.
[0:02:35.4] AW: So that’s awesome, that’s beautiful. Alexis, how about you? Go ahead and introduce yourself.
[0:02:40.1] AH: Josie had me all motivated, I was like, “I’m ready to second.”
[0:02:45.4] AW: I was over here snapping on mute, snap-snap-snap.
[0:02:48.3] AH: Let me take some notes. Also fun fact, salsas come up for some reason like this is like the fourth time for me today. So I’m taking the signal.
[0:02:56.5] AW: Yeah, come out and join us.
[0:02:59.2] AH: But I’m Alexis, I’m the founder of We Are Talking. I’m a financial coach. So We Are Talking’s mission is in the name, it’s really just to get people talking about money because there’s such a stigma about money. We know we’ve all been raised with this taboo, you don’t talk about it but when you ask people how did you learn, like, “How did you learn about budgeting, how did you learn about X, Y, and Z?” “Someone told me.”
That’s the number one reason that most people give and so both of these things can’t be true, that we can’t talk about it and we learn from talking and so my mission is to make sure that we are having this conversation and particularly as women and women of color and that also, that it’s a fun conversation. The way Josie really wanted to have wellness be about, be the thing, I really want fun to be the thing.
I know that money is often a conversation that’s not associated with fun and so I really try to switch that up and I do that a few different ways. In addition to one coaching, I also do workshops with organizations and then we have our signature events called money brunch in which, the pre-pandemic, we’d get together, have a little mimosa, and talk about different money topics and today, it’s transitioned into money and cooking in which we, a chef teaches us how to make a meal and then we’ll have that same money conversation.
[0:04:15.3] AW: I love that, I’m also over here snapping again on mute and loving that whole situation and I am not haven’t asked you all yet, how you all got together to do this money and healing series but I know in working with business owners and entrepreneurs and even just on my own journey, there’s this really strange connection to me between money and our comfort with money and how we grew up and how we created a money story and I was journaling this morning and thinking about, you know, what are my revenue goals as I start to transition out of teaching probably and into you know, more full-time entrepreneurship again.
And my nervous system started to activate, like right at my solar plexus and that’s happened before and this time though, I was aware of it as it was happening. I was thinking, “This is so interesting, there is nothing unstable about what’s going on right now” but even just thinking about it and having this somatic response in my body and I have never… I didn’t grow up without money.
Not that there was, you know, an overabundance of money but I didn’t have like a traumatic money story in terms of not knowing where food was going to come from and stuff like that but there is such a connection to how we see and value ourselves with what our financial status is and so I’m curious, how did you all decide to get together to bring money and wellness or money and healing into this same space?
[0:05:53.1] JS: I’m so glad that you bring that up and I’m so glad that you talk about the somatic connection because the way in which we interpret life lives in our body and it manifests and shows up in our body and our memory, our thoughts, all of that, are present within us so that deep connection is so important and that like, that’s part of the reason why we started this money and healing series.
Actually, back before the pandemic, I had planned to do a wellness retreat for my friends because I was just like, “You know what? I know, many of my friends are like activists, artists, social workers” really just trying to do really great work in the world and I know that many of my friends were really tired and exhausted and then just needed some connection and rejuvenation so I was like, “Oh, I’m going to do this” and Alexis was highly encouraging me to do it as well and we’ve partnered together to talk about how we can have this wellness retreat.
And in the midst of designing that, I asked Alexis, “What does money and wellness look like?” and Alexis, I mean, that’s like you could probably feel it from here but it was just this conversation that start to brew in me because I knew she was such a strong financial advocate that she’s been really influencing that in my life and for me to look at my relationships with money, to look, for me to start to plan for a long-term, sustainable lifestyle more.
And so I was recognizing that for myself that like, “Oh, money, there’s a money story here, this is connected to my overall wellbeing” and so I asked Alexis to start to think about that as a part of the workshop that we could up on for the wellness retreat.
[0:07:53.1] AH: Yeah, I feel like we were kind of coming at this from different sides and converge in the middle, like I resonated with what you were just saying about like, you have felt that before and you hadn’t quite put two and two together and for me, like, when Josie was like, “What’s money and wellness?” I’m like, “I don’t know.”
But actually, like, as I got deeper into it, I realized like, “Oh, I had…” these are conversations that I would have with clients of like, “Okay, we could talk about the budget but it doesn’t matter if like, you’re not really emotionally with this or you’re not motivated for this or you don’t… there’s still some type of trigger that’s going to come in the way” and so, I kind of had to… I didn’t have the language at the time.
And like I feel like Josie had the wellness language and I could talk about the money and then we kind of like found a way to converge and actually happen to, at the time, I feel like I guess if, if we’re into signals like, I had checked out a book called Emotional Currency, to really investigate like, what is money and wellness and then the pandemic happened, the library shut down so I had that book for like six months.
So I really kind of had a chance to get into the topic and we really just figured out, it’s kind of like the basis of everything, right? Like if we can spew a lot of like practical knowledge but if we’re not also taken a look into what’s happening at the foundation like, we’re only going to kind of get to it but so far. So we decided to pivot once everything shut down, we realized we couldn’t meet in person and to create this money and healing curriculum.
[0:09:22.6] AW: Yeah, I love that. I think people often think about you know, using the money for wellness, right? Using money to pay for things that will make us better but I think arguably, not being comfortable with money or being afraid of it can also conversely make us sick, right? Just from the way that our body responds or just from worrying about like, you know, everybody, I feel like in my age right now is like, “Okay, so social security’s about to get cut.”
I think there was an article that came out about that and we’re all wondering, are we putting enough away, are we doing what we’re supposed to? You know, we’re the children of the baby boomers who are never going to retire, right? So there’s the…
[0:10:11.2] AH: Don’t say that.
[0:10:12.4] AW: Well yeah, yeah, yeah. You’re right, I’m probably… I take it back, I’ll be taking that back out of here.
[0:10:15.9] AH: We’re talking about retirement.
[0:10:17.2] AW: Yeah, me too, me too, right? But like, what does that look like? And I do think that it shows up in a number of different ways because there are people who are hustling, right? I just wrote an email the other day about you know, we don’t… maybe we don’t have to hustle. Maybe we don’t have to hustle, maybe can be smarter and stop glorifying the hustle and actually be in charge and in control of this life that we’re trying to create, including the finances.
So what would be, like your… I didn’t ask you all to prepare like a one-two-three kind of a thing but I guess, from both of your perspectives, the wellness side and from the money side, if someone is saying, “Okay, I’ve got a job or I’m running my own business and I know I need to get my finances in order” what would be the first thing, Alexis, that you would tell them?
[0:11:08.9] AH: I actually tell people who are starting from like ground zero to just like, journal, actually, just like keep a money diary. So there’s the kind of alongside the practical of like, track your expenses, whether you’re doing that in a… like a spreadsheet or you’re using some type of tool, like a Mint or something like that but also, like, in addition to, “Okay, I spent $10 on a sandwich yesterday” but like, “Why did I spend that $10, what did I feel about that?”
Was there something that came up and then like, you’re just trying to collect data so that after like a month or two months, you see some patterns, like, I’ve worked with clients that are like, “Uh yeah, I spent a lot on Ubers on the days when like, I wake up late or when I’m just not like, I didn’t have time to plan for my week” and so then, you can start to put those, two and two together. I feel like step one is just like, what do we know? And like, and finding a way that works for you to start tracking and paying attention to what you’re doing.
[0:12:11.6] AW: Okay, good. Yeah, that makes sense and then Josie, from a somatic perspective, if someone is feeling like, “Okay, I want to get my stuff together but I’m nervous, I’m scared, I’m anxious.” What would you advise them to do?
[0:12:26.1] JS: Yeah, I love this tool called Rain. It’s this really great tool to use, recognize, so being aware of what’s happening, what are the emotions. As you said, like, sometimes we think about money and it brings up stress, right? So what are the emotions that you have in association with dealing with money, navigating money, having conversations around money, what are the emotions present, recognize that.
Recognize that and also, how it’s showing up for you and your body and then, also, investigate. Well first, sorry, allow Rain, recognize what’s the emotion, what’s there, allow it, right? We sometimes, when we have emotions, we’ll like suppress it, squash it down, have resistance to it. There’s lots of different things but the allowance can allow the process of the emotion to move through us and then investigate and this is also a part of what we do in the money and healing series.
Which is we investigate the money story and you even said that earlier, what is the money story that we have there, what are the underlying belief that are there, where does that come from and then nurture, spend some time being with that. Being with that experience that you had, what are the ways in which you can hold tenderness, compassion and love towards that story? And yourself, in the process and even others alongside that and then the last thing that I would say would be to start to vision, what is it that you want your relationship to money to be like and start to cultivate that.
[0:14:14.9] AW: Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. In one of the group coaching sessions that I was in, so I thoroughly believe in coaching and how I’ve had the benefit of coaching in the last couple of years so all of you, all that are listening and don’t have a coach in any particular area, definitely explore and see where you need more support but one of the coaches was talking about, she linked attachment styles to money.
So this woman was a social worker in a previous life and then had turned into an entrepreneur and then she’s coaching other entrepreneurs now and one of her things, she uses the profit first method and uses like her psychological background and training or her social work background and training to help move business owners to whatever blocks that they have that are going on. So we were talking about money and her thing is like, “You got to make sure you have enough profit” right?
So she was making this connection between attachment styles in relationships to our attachment style with our, in our relationship with money and I had it like blew me away. So for those of you all who are unfamiliar with attachment styles, there’s a book called Attached that talks about, there are really I think, three basic attachment styles and if I mess it up, you all jump in.
But the kind of middle ground is securely attached, where you’re not anxious in your relationship and you’re not avoiding in your relationship that you know, something happens, there’s a disagreement and doesn’t knock you off kilter. You know, that those kinds of things kind of happen but you feel really secure in your relationship. Anxious is where you’re always kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop, that if someone maybe have an attitude, who is quiet one day, then you’re thinking, “Oh, what’s wrong? Is this relationship going to end?” You just feel really nervous about the relationship if you don’t have that affirmation.
[0:16:07.6] AH: You’re always trying to fix things.
[0:16:10.1] AW: Yes, exactly, right? Because you’re afraid they’re going to fall apart and then avoidant is, “Oh, this feels like it’s too close, it’s too much, let me push it away, let me get some distance” right? And of course, the anxious and the avoidant are typically drawn to each other and they trigger each other and so that creates a lot of stuff.
Not that that means the two, an anxious and an avoidant attachment style couldn’t get together but it does require more work on both parts and so she said, you could be anxious, avoidant or secure or you might be a combination and I, as she’s saying this, I’m like, “Oh my God, I am anxious and avoidant with money especially in my business.”
Well, I guess just in general because if I’m focusing on it, I’m like, “Okay, do I have enough, is it going to be there, am I doing it right? Am I investing in the right places, am I saving enough?” you know? Just that kind of frenetic energy and that insecurity around it and then I’m like, “You know what? I’m fine” and then I’m avoidant.
I don’t want to look at stuff, I don’t want to deal with it and I try to get myself, you know, to that middle ground of like, let’s be secure, trust the process, know that I’m doing what I’m doing but I’m curious, have you all heard that before or seen that or how do you see it show up in your clients as it relates to attachment style?
And that’s the same thing I do in relationships with people too, especially romantic relationships. I’m like, anxious, I think it’s going to drop out and then I’m like, “You know what? I don’t care” and I go to the other extreme like, you know, cut them all. So it blew my mind and taught me a lot about myself.
[0:17:42.4] AH: Yes, I’ve been. I’ve been getting deep into Attached myself and I like that it is a spectrum, right? You can move across the spectrum and it may change with different contexts or with different relationships that you’re in and I definitely see a lot of avoidance with clients and that’s often tied to like, feelings of like, shame and guilt and you know, you’re avoiding. You’re avoiding looking at it.
But often when people go through this or even just dealing, dealing with this situation but also dealing with like what actually is the situation, right? Is it that I’m avoiding paying the bill or is it that I’m avoiding like having a really hard conversation with my partner because I bought all these things or because I made a decision in the business that I wasn’t sure about and so it’s really about like, how do we get to a place where we can kind of come through to the other side of it.
We’re realizing like, “Oh, we had that conversation, we feel better, if we actually do look at it and have the knowledge of like, “How bad is the debt?” I feel better and like I have a plan now for it, and I can also feel secure in that I can… I know I have the resources to handle it even if the resources think aren’t what we typically like. I think we just assume like, “Oh, it means you do have enough money in the bank account” and that may not be the case.
But you may have resources of like, “I know how to like, figure this problem out, I know how to ask other people for help, I know how to you know, connect to a network” or whatever that may be and often, like fear really is what’s holding us back from moving, from being anxious or avoidant or anxious avoidant to secure.
[0:19:17.6] AW: Yeah, definitely.
[0:19:21.3] JS: Wow. Yeah, I love that you bring this in. I actually been reading this book called, Turn This World Inside Out: The Emergence of Nurturance Culture, and the writer also uses the analysis of attachment style with the culture of violence and the desire to turn and shift the world from the culture of violence to the culture of nurturance and I just think that this is just the fascinating… I don’t…
I haven’t… I mean, I feel like, when you think about attachment style, it’s all related to relationship and a relationship, we do have a relationship with everything in the world. So why wouldn’t it be the case that we can look at this attachment style in relationship to money but I haven’t really thought about it in that way and so and my mind is being like, all over the place and expanding as I even try to conceptualize this and bring this into words.
But one thing that does come up for me, I can think about this in the work that we’ve done with the money and healing series is that secure attachment is really about the secure that you are loved and lovable and one of the things that we, I see and happen especially in the money and healing series is that there’s this, “I don’t know if I’m deserving of” which I think is really rooted in love and security.
So that’s one thing that I think comes up that “I don’t know if I’m deserving of…” piece. That question is something that can lead to the behaviors that we’re seeing around avoidance or anxiousness around money.
[0:21:12.3] AW: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was looking for my notes on my computer about… so I took a neuro coaching. I’m a certified neuro coach, I was trained under a psychologist and understand, learned about neuroplasticity and how our brains create these spots and how these thoughts get wired and they’re part of our subconscious and then learned how to break those thoughts and then rewire new thoughts and in that and it is probably in any psychology book you want to pick up, right?
There’s three main things that are like, at issue for us that no matter how they manifest, it usually comes back down to these three things, feeling like you’re loved, feeling like you belong, safety and all of those things I think can come up when we’re dealing with my… or just in relationship in general, right? We’re in relationship with everything, in relationship with the world, with our job, with our parents, with our… with the people that are around us.
But I do think that thinking about it through attachment styles can help us in any realm that we’re thinking about relationships and so then maybe even though we’re not, we’re talking now about what happens in our nervous system when we’re talking about money but that hasn’t been the conversation for a while but when you can these emotions or these feelings that are coming up no matter the situation, then you can start to pinpoint where is that coming from and learn how to deal with it accordingly.
And I don’t think that the… I think sometimes, the misnomer is that we will no longer have these triggers but that’s not really it, right? It’s that, we will recognize what they are. Give them space and then be able to move forward, giving ourselves what we need to feel comfortable enough to move forward in that.
[0:22:58.4] AH: I saw like, the acknowledgment of like, this is a relationship within our money, the same way like we have relationships with humans, right? Like, we have conversations, I have conversations with my money, I’m like, “What are we doing today?” you know? We have like, we let go of it and it comes back to us. Like we have this like cycle that we… that is similar to like, how we interact as people, right? And that just acknowledge, I think even just the acknowledging like, “Oh, this is the relationship” and with the relationship, you have to nurture a relationship.
You have to like “Are we in line, do we have our values in order, are we on the same page?” Like, you have to do that work and part of that, yeah, that work is this but that’s also what you mentioned of like recognizing what I’m feeling when I’m in relationship with you as well.
[0:23:40.5] JS: Right, yeah, definitely. So the follow-up to that little meeting that we had was also talking about the love languages as well. They were saying, “You know, how do you feel love?” and it was like, “Oh, well for me, quality time is I think number one for me” they’re like, “Okay, well, you should probably spend some quality time with your money.” I was like, “What?”
[0:23:57.7] AW: Yes.
[0:23:58.6] AW: It totally like blew my mind because wording would personify money and really acknowledge that we are in a relationship with money with making money, then we also need to nurture that relationship, so that we get what we are needing out of that relationship. So if I’m you know, if I was dealing with a person and stonewall them and didn’t want to talk to them and pretend like they didn’t exist, I wouldn’t be… I wouldn’t have a very good relationship with that person.
So I can’t pretend like money doesn’t exist. Like, I don’t need it. I’m not you know, trying to work some stuff out because that’s not going to be a very good relationship with money ether. So I appreciate the analogy and we could keep going down that road for a long time. It definitely gives me and hopefully, some other folks a lot of stuff to think about in that way. So tell us a little bit more about the course? So what does that look like and who are you all looking for?
[0:24:54.1] AW: So the course is a three-part series, we meet three times for two hours each time, along a season. So this season, we are having just… we’re having two cohorts and we invite women of color to join and nonbinary, keep them to join into the conversation and so it’s really a space in which we are having sacred conversation. We’re exploring ourselves, we’re exploring ourselves alongside each other.
We’re affirming each other, acknowledging and supporting each other alongside the reflective journey and then we give assignments in between and so we have some readings that we invite folks to do and we have journal prompts, activities for them to do during the series, during the time that we’re actually meeting and in between as well that really supports the exploration, discovery, realignment for folks.
[0:26:01.8] AH: We also have lots of fun. Josie is a DJ, she brings the tunes we play games, and we try to keep it silly at times as well but yeah, that’s the… you got the gist.
[0:26:13.8] AW: Yeah, I like that and I just want to talk about like that shame piece for a little bit because I was telling a friend of mine the other day who is also in my business coaching community and Alexis, you mentioned in the beginning that we don’t talk about money, right? It’s still taboo, it’s taboo to ask someone how much they earn or to share how much you earn with somebody else.
Then I think because it’s taboo, there’s also some shame around that in this secrecy around it and so what happens is it prevents people from recognizing that there are others who are similarly situated, right? Like we carry shame because we think that we are the only ones who are in this position or the only ones who don’t know how to move forward. It’s really a tool that isolates us.
And so the power of learning in community with other folks and the power of exploring in community with other folks is huge because you’ll show up and you might be a little uncomfortable in the beginning but by the end, I’m willing to bet that everybody feels like they’re part of a family and they’re excited to share their wins and you know, want to do it for themselves but also for each other. Is that something that you all experience at the end of the cohorts?
[0:27:32.4] JS: Yeah. I mean, I think the… it might have been the second time that we did it. I was like, there was such a positive response that I didn’t even realize how big of a deal what we were doing was and so folks we’re like, “No, this is great” and so yeah, absolutely. I think there’s definitely the arc of it is like, who is this… what is this space?
Like just like any person generally enters a group, there’s always like, a question of like, “Is this space safe, do I belong?” but then, once they fill the safety and the belonging and they recognize they’re a part of it, they’re like, “Yes, let’s keep going.” So we actually had a reunion because I kept being asked of us to… that have a time for us to reconvene and meet. So we had our reunion for all of the cohorts, what was it? In early January?
[0:28:30.1] AH: Yeah. That was just a few weeks ago. Crazy, right?
[0:28:33.9] JS: Yeah.
[0:28:34.2] AH: It feels like a long time but no, we definitely see that feeling resonate because the narrative around like, we should not talk about it, that’s a tool of oppression, right? For us to feel isolated and so there’s a freedom and a liberation and recognizing like, “Oh, I am part of a community and in that, I have power with this community” right?
Like, we can collectively be in this together and if we can be in this together and name what it is, we can also change what it is, if it’s something that doesn’t feel in aligned with us and there’s always… I don’t know, there’s not a lot that compares to that feeling of like, “Oh yes, I am not alone. Let me recalibrate where I’m thinking about myself.”
[0:29:18.4] AW: Yeah, absolutely and it’s empowering. It can be uncomfortable obviously but it’s super empowering. Even as you are on your way to making your plan or on your way to filling in the stuff in your plan, your financial plan, it is empowering to know that even if you got 10 more steps to go that you’re killing step one, right? And that you’re getting ready to take step two.
So does it matter where people are in their financial journey? Do you want people who haven’t thought about it at all or is it for people anywhere down the line?
[0:29:55.5] AH: Yeah, I would say it doesn’t matter because the course is setup to help you figure out where you’re at and then what you need. So there’s lots of differentiation within it but I think anyone who is just ready to talk about healing as well as the money part, this is in a good position to start having to join the course.
[0:30:16.2] AW: Yeah, the money and the healing. I love it, I’m so happy that the two of you paired that together. I think it doesn’t get talked about enough and I love that you all are doing it and I’m encouraging everyone to go and sign up. So if they are ready to go and sign up, where do the y do that?
[0:30:35.1] AH: Yeah, they can go to our website. So bitly/applymh or you can go to either of our individual business websites or Instagram accounts. My Instagram is, @wearetalking_.
[0:30:50.1] JS: Mine is, @akiliwell.
[0:30:57.2] AW: Perfect, perfect. All right, is there anything else that you all would like to add before we sign off?
[0:31:03.2] AH: I just wanted to reiterate that like, this course truly is for everyone. I was just remembering because Josie brought up the reunion that we’ve had, we’ve had a person who is now taken it like four times. So it doesn’t matter how far along or how new you are to talking about or thinking about money or thinking about your wellness, this is for everyone.
[0:31:22.6] AW: Yeah, got it, all right. Well, thank you both. I am honored and thrilled to have been able to talk to you all today. I will be sharing this out with everybody that I know. So please you all, make sure that you go and sign up for money and healing this series. It’s going to be fantastic.
All right you all, I will see you all back next week for another episode of Transcend The Podcast. Ciao-ciao.
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