E54: Creating Peace, Ease, and Revenue with Mae Chan

EPISODE 54

[INTRODUCTION]

[00:00:00] AW: You’re listening to the Transcend Podcast. I’m your host, Asha Wilkerson, an attorney by training and an educator at heart. This podcast is all about empowering you to build a business and leave a legacy. Here’s the thing, the wealth gap in America is consistently increasing and while full-time entrepreneurship is not for everyone, even a side hustle could change your financial landscape if you’re intentional about using your business to build wealth. I’ve run my own law firm for over 10 years, and in that time, I’ve helped countless California businesses go from idea to six figures. On this podcast, we talk about what it truly takes to build a sustainable business and find financial freedom. Let’s dive in.

[EPISODE]

[00:00:44] AW: All right, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Transcend the Podcast. I am excited like I am every week to have you here. This week, we have a very special guest, Mae Chan, who I met just a couple of weeks ago. But, Mae, I actually was referred to you by Carrie, the hypnotherapist in our outdoor hiking group in Oakland and said, “Oh, you got to meet with this awesome business coach. You guys are doing similar things. I really want you to meet each other.” And then that first day, and the last day that I made it to the hike, we finally met.

[00:01:17] MC: Yes, it was so perfect.

[00:01:18] AW: Welcome to the podcast.

[00:01:20] MC: Thank you so much, Asha. Yeah, I am amazed how many people are – it feels like teammates in some ways, right? So, aligned with what I want to be about, and we all have our own spaces to do this work. So, just connecting is, I feel like we are like linking arms.

[00:01:42] AW: Totally.

[00:01:43] MC: And going into the world together, strengthening each other. How amazing that we get to network on a hike in the redwoods.

[00:01:51] AW: Right. I mean, it’s a beautiful place to do it, right? Taking care of our mental health, and our physical health, and also our business health by meeting new people who may be great for our businesses or just life in general. So, it is definitely a beautiful thing. Well, thank you for joining me today. Can you tell everybody a little bit about how do you describe yourself as a business coach?

[00:02:12] MC: Yeah, I call myself a business alignment coach, and at the moment, this is the way I’m saying it. I help values-lead entrepreneurs create more peace, ease, and revenue through aligning their business with their authentic self.

[00:02:28] AW: I love that. So, peace, ease, and revenue. And I think it’s important to note that revenue was not first, right? But peace and ease and revenue and with aligning with their authentic self. So, where do we even start with unpacking that? How do we know if we are not operating in our authentic selves?

[00:02:47] MC: I am fully trusting in everyone. Here’s one way I say it. Your insides are talking to your outsides all the time. Sometimes it just looks like procrastination. Sometimes it looks like stress, overwhelm, busy, lateness, forgot. I mean, there’s just all the different ways that I don’t – I think this world will say, “You just got to get better dude.” I’m saying, “No, it’s talking to you.” Listen. Listen, your insides are saying, “Hey, babe, we need some help here.” We just need a little more space, some time, some rest, some soothing, some space to maybe grieve or process. More time to just be filled with friendship, family, love, whatever it is. It’s talking all the time.

[00:03:44] AW: So, the symptoms, if you will. As you were listing off those things like procrastination, and feeling restless, needing rest. I just started thinking about those – I feel like the symptoms of stress. Unfortunately, they felt very familiar to me as well. Oh, yeah. There are some pieces that are out of alignment with me right now. Because I am wanting to do this thing over here, and I’m still held in this thing back there, right. So, I feel like if you will have that question about whether or not you’re in alignment to think about some of those symptoms, if you will, or characteristics or experiences that may just listed, because those are your cues that something is not in alignment. But I feel like this alignment conversation is, we weren’t having an alignment conversation when I started out as a business owner back in 2011. So, when did this become a thing for business owners, being in alignment?

[00:04:38] MC: Well, I love that you’re naming that it is now a thing, because I still feel like I’m going to beat this drum as much as I can, and I don’t know who is ready for believing that this is possible. That’s what I feel often when I say I say, “Come with me. It is okay to be in line with yourself.” So, I can’t say, I think trend wise, how it became a thing, but I’ll tell you how it became a thing for me, is when I was building my previous business, I was a children’s retailer, I had a lovely little place called Ruby’s Garden in Temescal, in Oakland, in my neighborhood. And over 13 years, you could say the first half of it, I was – here’s the – we’re not on visual on camera, wrung out. I was like, hustle. It has to be hard and I need to prove myself. I didn’t know I was saying this, but I was like, “Here’s how people do it. I’m going to do it like them. Here’s how I prove it.”

And then the second half, I can’t say I got all self-carry about it. But I got to a level of success, that hard work phase, finally, that I started to see more ease. I had space to say, “Oh, wait, it is up to me how I design these days. How I invite people in. How I ask people to treat me in this space.” And that I realized the – I say it like this. The main-ness was the special sauce. I think I just started to see that, “Oh, people like it when it has my personality in it.” Of course, I like it. Because I get to be me. Instead of that previous hustle, grind, almost like a costume of what a children’s retailer looks like. I kept looking around for models and who to be, and then I was like, “Oh, right. It gets to be like me.” I saw that more success came from that,

[00:06:49] AW: That’s beautiful. As you were talking, I was thinking about this weight that we carry as women, or I guess, maybe not men, right? As women of color. There are a lot of folks who are listening who are either immigrants or have immigrant parents and I don’t come from a family of immigrants. But my mom was a civil rights leader and broke some barriers in terms of the civil rights movement and integration and things like that. So, there’s that extra. It is pressure, but I almost hate to call it pressure, because it’s the things that worked for them, and that they’re telling us what we need to do, because they didn’t get the luxury of being in alignment, because they had to pay the bills or get the job or walk the miles to get to wherever they needed to go.

So, how do you help or do you help people reconcile that? Because that is also a script that’s running through our heads, information that has served other people, but that hustle, that grind, that it has to be hard that you can’t take a break, because I didn’t get to take a break, or because I worked so hard to put you here. How do you help people work through those thoughts that are running through their head to try and find some alignment with how they want to be and can be now?

[00:08:06] CM: Yes, thank you. Wow, that was a whole tee up. First, I’m just really – I’m just feeling the power that you got to grow up under a model, a parent who is a model of courage, in the face of some – what do we call it? Full of BS, like this world, right? And you said, “I’m not going to just do what they say. I’m going to change the system.” I mean, that’s inspiring already. And I can only imagine how that was for you.

I just wrote my email, my weekly email on this, and if you permit me, join my weekly newsletter, because this is where I talk pretty deeply. We have all these spaces for 140 characters, and then my emails like, “All right, people, I’m going to unpack how I got to figure out how important it is to be your authentic self.” I grew up from day dot, day zero, with these messages from my Chinese immigrant parents that said, “Oh, no, we are in America. Here’s what is expected from us.” And being your whole authentic self is not on the menu. It was literally the opposite. Be like everybody else. They don’t want to see our difference and they always will. I mean, this is something about people of color in general, right? That we don’t get to blend. We don’t get to pass. And the history of Asians in America is full of – they will never pass. You can’t intermarry enough to erase what is here.

So, there was this particular vehemence, I think, in the anti-Asian treatment, and I don’t mean that’s unique or worse, or whatever. But it was its own thing. So, my parents were like, “You’re going to do everything you can. Stay under the radar. Say yes to everything. Don’t give trouble.” And in addition, there was being a woman in also, Chinese patriarchy society, right? Though it was white patriarchy, white capitalism, model minority, and Chinese traditional, and then in America, like trying to make success. Because of course, my parents’ version, maybe similar to a bit of what you grew up in is, I didn’t work this hard for you to do whatever made you happy.

[00:10:37] AW: Right. Happiness is not a part of the equation at all.

[00:10:40] MC: It just wasn’t. Yeah, it just wasn’t. It was about you need to be an engineer, even if that’s not you. You need to make success. You need to make safety, which is money. And a little bit of respect, societal respect, which is also for them at ranking. Those kinds of things. And capitalistic ranking, right? Because that’s safety, and that’s how you’re going to get through. That’s what this program is.

[00:11:09] AW: Right. Yeah. God bless them, because that was what they knew to be successful. Like for all of our parents, and the folks who have come before us, they had to do things that are different than what we are able to do, and because of that, maybe that commitment to the work, we’re on a different platform. But then, we also have to take that moment of time and say, “Okay.”

So, one of the examples for me was, when I got a job with the law firm, when I interviewed for the job, I had straightened my hair. Now, I was going to school in San Francisco. You all have seen a picture of me on this podcast, my hair is tightly coiled and natural, and it’s the way that it is and I love it. But there was a period of time where this was not what I looked like, and I straightened my hair because I needed to be corporate. I needed to be presentable to the interviewers, and I got hired for the summer and then it was summertime out in Walnut Creek, and so I got braids. Because I was not going to be dealing with my unstraightened hair that did not want to be straight anyway. My mom was so worried that I was going to lose my job because I didn’t have straight hair.

Now, I was looking at her. I knew where it came from, because that had happened in the past that people that she knew. We just passed the CROWN Act in California, which means that you cannot discriminate against somebody because of their hair. That came years after I’d been in a law firm. But I remember making a choice going. I know that this is advice that has served at some point, and I hear you, and I’m not going to take that on. That if someone doesn’t want me here because of my hair, but this is the best expression of myself. I’m not meant to be there. But I had a platform and an education, and I could always go back home to my mom’s house. If I got fired from that job where she didn’t have that same kind of platform because she didn’t have the same backing.

[00:13:00] MC: Yes, you’re so right. I mean, just even you said the CROWN Act. Can she imagine in her coming up time? I know, I will say it, as soon as you said the CROWN Act, I just felt all of the like, how amazing the CROWN Act, and also, laws are only the very beginning of change, right? Because people will still act whatever way they act. It’s just a lot in some ways, yet, it’s so powerful that it exists now. And it’s at least something we can all point to. I’m just really, again, like you’re telling this story, and I’m applauding that moment. You said, I hear you, this is what I need to be.

[00:13:41] AW: Yeah, it keeps happening with like buying a house in California. I hear you and that’s me now. Being an entrepreneur, I hear you and I was just talking with someone yesterday, in fact, who started her own business. Is in the beginning stages of it. Her mom said, “When are you got to go back to corporate?” And then the person I was coaching felt like, “Oh, my gosh, even my mom doesn’t believe in me.” And it shook her confidence. I said, “Wait a minute. It’s not about your mom’s belief or disbelief, is that your mom was raised to know that trust and security is in working for somebody else. It’s not that she doesn’t believe in your ability to make money, but this is her best advice to you because this is what she knows.” 

So, don’t take it personally. Shake it off. Know that she’s saying it out of love even if it is not affirming to where you want to be right now, but it’s coming from a place that’s decent. And I think a lot of times, a lot of the cultural rules, not all of them. Some of them are patriarchy, like you said, or just antiquated. But I think a lot of the customs, a lot of the rules, a lot of the advice, don’t be too this, don’t be too that. It comes from a place of reality. It comes from a lived experience from someone who came before us. So now, we’re having to shake that off and go, “Okay, what’s true for me, and also what’s true about the situation, and to move forward.” But it is no easy task at all. It confronted me all the time.

[00:15:01] MC: No, you mentioned our friend, our mutual friend, Carrie. This is something I learned from her the way she says it is, there’s like a mass hypnosis in the world about how things work. And in some ways, that’s what we picked up on in all the different ways from our family, but also from society. Because some people benefit from us staying small, right? To not ask for what we deserve. To not make anyone uncomfortable. I like how she says it, there’s mass hypnosis, and we can be part of the hypnosis, or we can say, “Nope.” Like, keep ourselves out of it, and I think that’s what you and I both do, as coaches to say, “Come with me to the other side. Come with me, I’m going to keep telling you this other thing is true.” Whatever coaching engagement we have, it takes a while, right? And we just keep talking about it until it sinks in a little bit. Even whenever that coaching engagement is done, we all, they and we, have to just keep telling ourselves this morning by morning is the way I talk about it. You got to get back to your truth with yourself, because it’s like all the rest of the day. We’re just falling us back in.

So, it is yes, I totally acknowledge what we hear. There’s reality, practical reality in what we’ve heard. And yet, we’re finding spaces to be more freely ourselves, and we’ll never know what’s possible until we choose that for ourselves, right? As you beautifully said, you have safety in the ways you have. We get to try things, and I don’t know what everyone’s comfort level is. Everybody gets to decide, but I’m saying, let’s just look at what’s possible. Let’s just push a little bit more. What if I just got off the phone with someone I was coaching that I said, what if instead of saying, I need to get back to you right away, and stay super late at the office to do that. What if you just say like, in a few days, in a week, can you just practice this and see how it feels? As you said about your braids at the interview, if they cannot handle this, maybe they’re not for me. And trusting that, I mean, it’s a big thing to say. I don’t mean to say that lightly. But it’s so beautiful when you can say that.

[00:17:33] AW: There’s a quote that says, one of the coaches that I trained with this summer on my neuro coaching certification, she said, “Confidence doesn’t come first. Confidence comes after you take action.” Every time she said it like, “Oh.” Right? Because sometimes we think we have – we prepare, we over prepare. We think we got to have everything lined up, so we can feel confident about it. But confidence comes from doing something over and over and over again.

[00:17:59] MC: And seeing that you lived through it, right? You do this scary thing, and you’re like, “Look, I’m still here.” I mean, in business, you can say,” look, that client is still here. That client was fine.” Actually, if they’re your client, you’re the expert at how this thing goes. Right? They want you to say, “It is safe to wait until next week”, because it is. So then, if you’re like, “Oh, yeah. I got to get back to you right away.” They might be like, “Oh, I guess it’s really urgent.” Really, they didn’t need you to do that. They didn’t need you to put that on you. And then coaching wise, it turns out, it’s always our own burden on our own self.

[00:18:41] AW: Yeah. So, is that a good – I’m sorry. Is that a good place to start? Because in the beginning, you said you help entrepreneurs create ease?

[00:18:49] MC: Yeah, peace and more revenue. Yes.

[00:18:51] AW: Peace, ease, and revenue. So, is that a place to start when – because some of us are like, “Okay, great. I hear you. I hear you talking. But I’m in that grind mode. I got to make it work.” So, if someone wants to create more peace and more ease, where would you advise them to start?

[00:19:07] MC: What I always start with is like, what doesn’t feel good right now? What would you like to be different? And you know as a coach, there’s plenty of places we can tune up. But it really starts with what they’re like. I got to be done with this. Right? They are ready for something to change. That’s the juicy transformation starting point. But I find it sort of doesn’t matter. Once we start pulling on that thread, it gets to kind of go through. But yes, that’s why I say, look for the I don’t want to do this. I don’t like it and this is where I know it sounds oversimplified, but I’ll just say, “Oh, then why are you doing it? You don’t like doing it. Don’t do it.”

I am a business person. I know, you don’t just get to lay back on a couch and have money come to you. I’m talking with people who are ready to grind and I’m saying yes to the grind. I’ve been that person, yes to it. But what I say is like that crisis mode is our bodies are meant for that, just for the time where we’re running from tigers, right? There are moments, save it for that. Is this one of those moments? Probably not. Is every day one of those moments, definitely not. Because your body is going to say, “No.” It’s going to whisper it, and then it’s going to talk louder and louder until you listen.

[00:20:29] AW: Right. We’re not meant to be in that fight or flight mode that you’re talking about on a regular basis. Yeah, a lot of times, I mean you can build your business up to support your fight or flight mode, or because you’re building a business, you have the opportunity to build something that gives you more peace and ease, so you can really live the way that you want and not be working just as hard as you were in your corporate job, or working for somebody else. Especially to those folks who are building a business alongside of their full-time job or alongside of something more regular, I encourage you to really think about how you want it to go, and what do you really want to do. I know in my own experience, I have – I’ve done a number of different things within the law practice, and I had to really think about what is it that I want to do. 

Every time I make it more and more simple, which is counterintuitive, because we look at these big businesses that have a bunch of different offerings, but I always go back to Apple. Apple just had computers for like, 20 plus years, right? And then came out with the iPod, I think was next, and then the iPhone, right? It got really, really good at that one thing. We don’t have to have 15 different options. We can have one and get really good at that. Make it easeful, make it peaceful. And then I want to know how do you turn that into revenue? It’s like, “Oh, great. I’m easeful, peaceful. I love this. How do I make some money?”

[00:21:53] MC: Yeah. That’s why I said like, I’m not talking to people who are already laying on the couch, generally, right? People generally are ready for it and I’m just saying, it’s so great. I mean, I love – so I have two different types of clients I love to work with. I want to – and this is perfect for, as you said, when it’s still a side gig, because it’s a perfect opportunity to plant the seeds from the get go for, as you said, like the thing you really want, the life you really want. Start early.

But the other way is kind of in the – maybe your one or two and your grind. It does create a pipeline of others and work, and then it’s too full. And then you’re like, “Yes, yes. Yes, to everything.” Now, you’re like, “Ah”, it’s like a waterfall or drink from the fire hose. I love that part. Because then I’m like, “Oh, now we get to prune.” We get to be very clear and say, “Yes, no, yes, no.” And business coach, when you say yes to the right things, the dollars get to turn up, right? You get to you get to be really good at that thing. I mean, thank you for mentioning Apple. To be that good at what they did, then they’re like, “Oh, hello people.”

[00:23:12] AW: Right. I’m going to charge you premium for this.

[00:23:15] MC: I’m going to charge you premium and trusting that there are the right people that are for you. Again, it’s a cocreation when I coach someone. I don’t know your answer. But I know the question to ask you, and I also know how to reflect. Remember, you said you really wanted that in your life. You remember you said time with your partner and kids was really important. How do we make that first? Because I have one coach that calls it rich and rested. They go together, right? How do you be that person in your business fully aligned and joyful and serving, when you’re like, “I’m sorry, I’m late. I didn’t hardly know where I’m supposed to be right now. Because I’m so tired, because I didn’t get enough sleep last night.” Wouldn’t you rather pay the person that is like, “I am here. I’m on fire. I’m fully at capacity. I have filled my cup.”

[00:24:19] AW: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, everything works better when you can be present in that moment. So, being able to manage your stress. We’re not saying that you’re not going to work hard or that it’s going to be – ease doesn’t mean – yeah, ease doesn’t mean that you don’t work. It just means that it’s aligned work, aligned with who you are, aligned with the goals that you want. I was listening to – I let all my friends know. I listen to a ton of podcasts and a ton of audiobooks, so I can walk around this neighborhood and get some information at the same time.

I was listening to this relationship book, but I thought it applied to business and I guess life in general, but he was talking about values. So, he had I’d marry married his wife pretty young, like in mid-20s, or something like that. His wife and daughter, I think wanted him to spend more time at home. But he had started this business which was really successful and he wanted to spend more time at home with them, too. But he realized that when he was spending time at home, he felt like he was being lazy, because he wasn’t working. And one of his stated values was hard work. I value hard work. I was like, “Oh, he’s in my thoughts. He’s talking to me, right?” Because I also valued, say that now, hard work.

And he said, he realized that because there was some misalignment, there was some friction there, where he wanted to spend time with his family, but then had also placed this other value that felt like it was in contradiction, that he needed to change his value, or he needed to change the way he stated his value. So, he changed and said, “I’m not going to value hard work, I’m going to value smart work. So, that when I get things done, and I want to go and spend time with my family, which is also a value, I don’t have to carry any guilt or stress, because I feel like these values are incongruent or incompatible with each other. But smart work allows me to also spend time with my family and do the other things that bring me joy, because it’s not just about the hard, meaning like duration, but it’s also about smart and being efficient with that time.”

So, that could be another cue too, I believe, when you’re trying to rest and you’re not – well, what is it that you’re telling yourself? What is it that you are believing? That means that this is not okay, and you’re not okay. And how can you change those values or those beliefs that you have, to again, be more in alignment with what your body is craving, what your mind is craving, with what your dream is for yourself.

[00:26:40] MC: And what your integrity says, right? Did I find a partner and make children so that I could not be here? No. There’s life there, that is, who that person is. Am I some what I say is? That thing, and that’s why I say values lead. I mean, you’re a whole person doing this work. And I used to, like I told you about my first, my previous business. I was like, “This is my work self. This is my main person and I just got to juggle all of it.” Well, it turns out, it’s all the same person. So, it has to work together.

Some of what I heard in what you just talked about was, how do we design your life, not just your business, right? Your business is your life, and of course, many solopreneurs kind of literally, like, I know that when I was doing my previous business, it’s all I thought about. I mean, really, it is all still what I think about. I think it’s okay. That’s my dream. That’s my love. And even when I think about designing my ideal life, I’m like, “I want to have lots of rest time so I can dream better. I can dream my business even better.” Because it all gets to feed my happiness. So, I just was thinking like, what a shame for that time with family to be kind of robbed. This is my symbol for like, when your brain is like, “Argh, argh”, you know what I mean? With that sound on the podcast, you can get the visual.

But yeah, your brain is like, “I want to be here.” But the whole time you’re like, “I should be doing something else. Don’t be here. Don’t be all the way here.” What a shame. Can you just design this so that I’m all the way here with family when it’s that time? And the way that fills you, gets to go into when you’re like, “And now papa’s working.” Now, it could even be that papa doesn’t have to work as long, because papa is filled by that time over here. But like fully in work mode, fully present for family time, because you decided, you deserved it. This is part of the work. I think the coaching work I do is, don’t apologize. You deserve that. This is the life you want. Does that client really not want you to be that papa? Right? If again, it’s like the braids. It’s like, maybe they’re not for you. If they’re mad at you for being a good – the person you want to be.

[00:29:11] AW: Right. Absolutely. So true. So true. As I’m thinking about this conversation and processing, one of the ways that we get stressed out as business owners, is by not having enough help, right? Not having people around us. Or being afraid to invite help in whether it’s because of we think we don’t have enough money or we don’t know who to trust, or it’s our baby and we just can’t let it go. So, how do you – I know that you specifically help people make that first step. So, can you tell us a little bit how you help people make that first step?

[00:29:45] MC: Yeah, thank you. I am right now, just designing this course to take you through five steps to designing this on purpose, this life, and how hiring help gets to come in there, designing it in a smart way. Because what you just teed up, also people will say, “Nope, I don’t need help. It’s harder to have help. It’s safer if I do everything.” Or they do the opposite and say, like, “I’m now buried under this pile. I just need to take the next person that says yes. Even if they’re not a fit, it’s okay. I’m going to make peace with it.” And then sometimes, often, there comes a time where you’re like, “Wait, this is harder, making me more stressed when they’re not a fit, and it’s costing me more money.” So then, you go in self-fulfilling prophecy, right? You’ve been like, “See, I was right. It’s better to just do it myself.”

[00:30:44] AW: I knew it wasn’t going to work.

[00:30:46] MC: I knew it wasn’t going to work and you know, the mind is so powerful, right? It becomes what you’re ready for. So, that’s why I say the steps. Really, it sounds so basic. But it starts with realizing that this life that you want to create, you get to create. That’s important. Who you are, who you want to be, I believe in a world that says yes to that first, and whatever work that doesn’t allow that is not for you. So, it starts with, if I deserve to use this gift, whatever the gift is that your business is based on, that this gift gets to serve people, go out into the world make other people’s lives better. It gets to do it making my life better too. And the person I call in, if I am very clear that I deserve this, then I am more clear to call in the right person. Some of the work we do in the course, is trusting that the right person really wants to do exactly what you’re offering them to do.

These are all pieces that have been broken in capitalism. That it’s just like, of course, you don’t like your job. It’s a trade for dollars. How few dollars can I give you to trade for this thing that you feel desperate for? I’m desperate, you’re desperate. I’m scarcity minded. Can you take as little as possible? It’s all messed up system, but I’m saying if whole people get to serve from love, then the place that you make for people to come into is going to be a place that they feel seen and loved. And where gifts are also nurtured, mentored, as part of your dominion, is some way, a way that I think of, right? 

We get to, as entrepreneurs, we get to make places and I don’t know, if I said it already, I’m a licensed architect, too. So, I was a place maker and community making is also part of placemaking. If we feel safe to call in this person, then we’re not apologizing for asking somebody to do something that is not right for us to do, because we get to be the leader. There are pieces that are zone of genius. We are best being the leaders, the CEOs, and other people, it’s just right for them to do the pieces that support you.

[00:33:19] AW: Yeah. I love it. I love it. So, I think that’s a great place to sort of wrap up. I mean, we’ve talked so much about being this – we didn’t say sole lead, but I feel like that could be in there as well, right? Just being in alignment, and it’s so important as folks of color who were starting in maintaining our own businesses, because we are so over determined by this society of how we can be, who we can be, how we can talk, how our hair has to look, what our clothes have to look like, what is our food going to be, that kind of stuff. That in a space of entrepreneurship, where you are literally creating a way to provide for yourself and for whoever else you want to provide for. 

Why not put your whole authentic self into it and show up? Because you have no boss anymore. You have no boss. And with all of the people who populate this world, you cannot tell me that you will not find a community of people who want to use your services or buy your products or be in relationship with you. So, that fear is coming up. Let’s talk through it, work through it, because there’s absolutely space for you to show up how you want to and in the best light for yourself. So, how do people contact you, Mae, if they want to work with you or talk to you a little bit more to see if it is a fit?

[00:34:37] MC: Yes, thank you. Thank you. You just helped us paint such a beautiful picture of what’s possible. So, thank you for just allowing us to have this conversation, fleshing out. They can go to my reallifeoakland.com website. That’s my business name, and it’s based on that we need to keep gathering in real life because we are our bodies are, is it gets into the placemaking that I was talking about, that our businesses are in physical space, even as much as like you and I are both in Oakland, but on this virtual platform. 

So, we get to be in places. reallifeoakland.com. There’s a page called ‘Work With Me’, and there’s a lot of different ways to work with me. I have one to one coaching. I have group coaching. I have monthly gatherings. Actually, seconds Sundays is really a great place to start with me if you’re local. Come have, I call it Disco Supper Club, because I love the disco vibe. It’s my era. We just get to gather as other entrepreneurs who are on the journey, and have a vision, have a big vision, and get to support each other. So, those are always to come in and each of those pieces, there’s links for how to book those.

[00:35:58] AW: Awesome, beautiful Mae. Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy day, and for sharing your light and your skills and talent and just energy with us. We are blessed to have you here as the listeners of Transcend the Podcast. So, thank you. Thank you.

[00:36:13] MC: Thank you so much for having me. It was such a delight.

[00:36:16] AW: Of course. All right everybody, tune in next week for the next episode. Ciao. Ciao.

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